It started out as some kind of rehab diary then ended up in a load of piffling nonsense... now it's back to it's ROOTS! (...with a bit of Trad thrown in for the hell of it)
Friday, 3 October 2008
Scaffolding!
taken down as it was annoying percy, probably rightly so.
eh, i was thinking something similar while reading the new gym's blog. i think the walls they put up into the ex swimming pool are too high and too close to each other. it would be easy for two climbers falling from the two tops to meet mid air, esp. with some swing out. i wouldn't train there, i'd get sucked under the roof.
Yeah, Percy has commented on UKB but it still doesn't put my mind to rest. The thing that sticks in my mind is seeing a construction picture of the arch with poles offset end to end to form a kind of arch, however obviously the ends aren't flush and are next to each other instead, the joints also aren't rigid so to use it as an arch is just ludicrous. Nice pascal!
well i'll eat my own words, they are assessed fully etc. by a structural engineer. It would be interesting to read a report covering the points i've raised.
You've got a strange idea of what constitutes interesting Paul. It reminds me of the characters in Asterix, constantly worried about the sky falling on their heads. Let's face it, you're way way more likely to get injured by a crag falling apart than a climbing wall. If you're moderately scared by walls, you should be turning up to the crag in an armour plated tank!
I remember that! I've spent the last 4 years picking at structures, modeling them etc. and now agonize over fluids problems. Its strange I know but all of that picking now gets applied to EVERYTHING and some of it just doesn't add up. I have to say mind you that dismantling the school was truly terrifying. Were you aware that the campus boards weren't attached at all to that low beam? 4 or 5 screws in total.
Climbing Works spent over 5 grand on our independent engineers assessment of all of our walls and they have all been signed off by him as being more than adequete for the job they are intended for. This is a very large sum of money for us to spend unless we cared that we were providing a safe environment for climbers to play on (we could have got a dodgy engineer to sign the lot off for a few hundred quid instead of having a geek in a boiler suit annoying us for 2 weeks!). The place has also been assessed at length by the HSE and again passed with no problems. Our construction methods of all wall sections (including volumes and the skips) is approved by our engineer (a guy so meticulous as to take samples of our screws that hold the panels on and get calcs for them so he could calculate a minimum number of the bloody things that would be adequete to hold the panels and volumes on to the structure). Any concerns you have over the integrity of a climbing walls structure would be better directed to the owners of the wall in question, rather than posting rather your rather inexperienced musings on public websites or blogs, surely? Whilst we're on the subject, scaffolding structures are designed, engineered and installed by qualified scaffolding erectors (certainly professionals have been used for Climb Newcastle and The Arch). Scaffolding holds up much up The Edge and all of Undercover Rock in Bristol and these lead walls are subjected to huge point loads as lots of folks take big lead falls onto them daily, yet it is more than up to the task and is very often used for permenant structures. The bottom line is that if my wall falls down, I go to prison, and that is not on my agenda now or ever. You really need to find something else to worry about, dude!
Please disregard anything you read on this page. It's all just random thoughts and opinions based on very little. Therefore it's not worth getting upset about. In fact; just don't bother reading it, it'd make life easier for everyone involved.
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eh, i was thinking something similar while reading the new gym's blog. i think the walls they put up into the ex swimming pool are too high and too close to each other. it would be easy for two climbers falling from the two tops to meet mid air, esp. with some swing out. i wouldn't train there, i'd get sucked under the roof.
This is a serious piece of scaffolding. Sorry I can't find a higher resolution version, but you get the idea. BIG!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wLhrQ8nB13k
Yeah, Percy has commented on UKB but it still doesn't put my mind to rest.
The thing that sticks in my mind is seeing a construction picture of the arch with poles offset end to end to form a kind of arch, however obviously the ends aren't flush and are next to each other instead, the joints also aren't rigid so to use it as an arch is just ludicrous.
Nice pascal!
well i'll eat my own words, they are assessed fully etc. by a structural engineer.
It would be interesting to read a report covering the points i've raised.
You've got a strange idea of what constitutes interesting Paul.
It reminds me of the characters in Asterix, constantly worried about the sky falling on their heads.
Let's face it, you're way way more likely to get injured by a crag falling apart than a climbing wall. If you're moderately scared by walls, you should be turning up to the crag in an armour plated tank!
I remember that!
I've spent the last 4 years picking at structures, modeling them etc. and now agonize over fluids problems. Its strange I know but all of that picking now gets applied to EVERYTHING and some of it just doesn't add up.
I have to say mind you that dismantling the school was truly terrifying. Were you aware that the campus boards weren't attached at all to that low beam? 4 or 5 screws in total.
Climbing Works spent over 5 grand on our independent engineers assessment of all of our walls and they have all been signed off by him as being more than adequete for the job they are intended for. This is a very large sum of money for us to spend unless we cared that we were providing a safe environment for climbers to play on (we could have got a dodgy engineer to sign the lot off for a few hundred quid instead of having a geek in a boiler suit annoying us for 2 weeks!). The place has also been assessed at length by the HSE and again passed with no problems. Our construction methods of all wall sections (including volumes and the skips) is approved by our engineer (a guy so meticulous as to take samples of our screws that hold the panels on and get calcs for them so he could calculate a minimum number of the bloody things that would be adequete to hold the panels and volumes on to the structure). Any concerns you have over the integrity of a climbing walls structure would be better directed to the owners of the wall in question, rather than posting rather your rather inexperienced musings on public websites or blogs, surely?
Whilst we're on the subject, scaffolding structures are designed, engineered and installed by qualified scaffolding erectors (certainly professionals have been used for Climb Newcastle and The Arch). Scaffolding holds up much up The Edge and all of Undercover Rock in Bristol and these lead walls are subjected to huge point loads as lots of folks take big lead falls onto them daily, yet it is more than up to the task and is very often used for permenant structures.
The bottom line is that if my wall falls down, I go to prison, and that is not on my agenda now or ever. You really need to find something else to worry about, dude!
Cheers
Percy
taken down as to ease any concern you might have. Comments left so as not to be seen avoiding confrontation.
What did he say about your t-nuts?
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